I am so glad that someone took the time, and gave the effort to think about the essence of the problem and not about the ‘band-aids’.
Please keep it up. Its appreciated alot.
I don’t mean to whinge, but this seems like a re-hash of old concepts. I believe Tyler Durden introduced the concept of internal and external validation more than 3 years ago.
Having said that, it is a brilliant concept that helped put me on the right track; but its nothing new.
Thanks for you comment. Yes, I believe you’re right, however, that is only part of the whole story.
The concept of internal and external validation isn’t new to the community, nor is it new to self hep in general but I’m not just talking about external validation here. External validation is only one part of pleasure. External validation is only one way that guys are placing their happiness on external objects.
There are many other ways that guys are doing this – happiness through food, drugs, alcohol, physical pleasure, and the big one for the community – happiness by obtaining objects (women, specifically).
This isn’t external validation because whilst a lot of guys do care what other people think about how hot their girl is (yes, I’m guilty of it some times too), they’re also looking for a different kind of happiness from her too.
They’re constructing a story line in their head about how they’re unhappy because they don’t have a the woman they’re looking for in theri life and they believe that once they get her, then they’ll really be happy, finally.
Their sense of happiness is based off the externally dependant outcome of attracting and sleeping with her.
This is the core issue.
It’s this belief that once they’re ‘got’ her then they can finally be happy, this reliance on externally based happiness (not just external validation) that is the cause of almost every issue that they’re facing women.
Yes, the community is very good at telling people that they shouldn’t be attached to the outcome and that they’re perfect without her and so therefore should be happy, but that doesn’t change the fact that the seduction community is based on how to get more women into your life.
The fundamental basis of everything that EVERY guru is teaching is ‘how to change yourself so that she’ll like you more’. Even the RSD stuff of ‘be self amusing’ is still only done so that guys can get girls to like them more. It’s still based on changing what you’re doing to get her.
The whole community is based around teaching guys how to be more effective at getting pleasure. Which is effectively strengthening their reliance on pleasure, more and more, with every ’set’ they do.
What they don’t seem to realise is that it’s this very reliance on pleasure, this reliance that they’re reinforcing, that is the very reason why guys need to learn ‘game’ in the first place.
As I talk about towards the end of Seduction Community Sucks, interactions are purpose driven and the only reason that guys need to learn to lead, qualify, to open, to develop rapport, is that guys are trying to find more effective ways to make her responsible for their happiness.
If they weren’t trying to make her responsible for their happiness and actually took responsible for creating the kind of world that was intrinsically fulfilling WITHOUT HER, then they wouldn’t face 3/4 of the issues in their life.
So whilst yes, internal and external validation are important factors to focus on, they’re really only the tip of a very large iceberg that’s going to keep causing issues until guys can find a path around it.
Thanks alot, great stuff man, I can’t wait to see what’s up for the rest of the days, you really blew my mind away, approach anxiety has disappeared too, just by changing your ‘goal’.
Thanks for the reply. You make a really good point about the importance of being fulfilled without having the need of a woman in your life.
I’ve personally found that the times I’ve been really successful in meeting and attracting girls coincide with the times where I’m truly happy.
Such as when I’m enjoying myself with my friends and doing the things I like, as opposed to going out with the sole intention of picking up (aka ’sarging’) whilst putting on a forced smile.
The post makes a lot more sense now; thank you for clarifying things.
Dear Logun, first of all, sorry about some grammar mistakes I can do, because English is my foreign language!
I think you’re a very good person buddy! You’re a genious!
Definetely “SCS”, “IGC” and your videos from the seminar in Sidney are the best material any men can read or watch about seduction!
Even if he’s a PUA or not!
All of this stuff can change (and will, I hope) lives around the world and it’s all free! Incredible!
All of us know that we can trust you because you’re simply not trying to sale fake products, materials, or books, DVDs…
I confess that I was a follower of indirect methods and didn’t have great results because my inner game was terrible and I had lots of AA.
Your book opened my eyes and this IGC is elevating my inner game to the sky!
Thank you very much! I really appreciate what you’re doing!
Man, I’ve gotta tell you, this really changed the way I see things now.
When reading the ”Seduction Community Sucks”, I remembered everything I’ve been trough since I discovery this world.
I went to a party last weekend, and decided just do what I wanted to do, and get one girl I was attracted to without thinking of lines and all these stuff, and guess what?
I got her, but, this weekend I went to a bar with my friend and his girl friends, and I started to think in what to say to get my value high, avoid rejection, and what happened? Well, I didn’t enjoy the moment, I was really anxious in the enviroment trying to look cool, not showing low value and these stuff.
After reading the e-book, I remembered every single moment that I really was being myself without worrying about the things, and just trying to have a good time with people around me, and that is how I want be after this inner game challenge, a person that enjoy making people have fun with, a person that laughs even when things seems not so good, a person who helps others when they’re not ok, a person who likes to share good moments with a special girl I might find in my life.
And I know I’m going to be able to let my personality comes out.
LoGun, first of all I want to thank you and your team for such a work!
Actually english is my foreign language I’m from Brazil
I’m going to try this right now!
It’s easier doing this than going out on canned opners and DHV stories especially because the culture and habbits of my country are a lot different from USA or England. So every time I would use a Canned material I was always worried about adapting to my country reality, but thanks to your work I’m starting to change. I hope it guets better
really insightfull, i must try it tomorrow. The whole executive functions just blew my mind hahaha i am adapting it to everything in my life, and not surprisingly, it has been brigging some stunning results.
I am also from Brazil too, and really, almost anything canned from north america, europe or australia doesnt quite work as well here as it does out there
Thanks
I just wanted to say THANK YOU!
I’m from EUROPE so please forgive
me for my bad english!
Since i’ve started with PickUp my
personality with walls after walls
of lies!
I recognised a feeling of emptiness
behind my breast! No feelings and either
no emotions! I felt dead! I WAS dead!
Chating with people i don’t really like
was the daily torture of my live!
BUT NOW i throw away this lies of
complete shit!
I feel the confidence i’ve never
recognised! I FEEL real EMOTIONS!
I feel the LIVE behind my breast!
WOW! It feels great! I’m ALIVE!
Great thanks to you all!
I’ll continue a real live!
No more lies again! No waste
of time with people i don’t like!
The only one thing I wanted to say is: ‘Thanks’
That says it all.
You help us – you’re making the world better, happier.
We share our happiness with others – we’re making the world better, happier.
And by saying that I mean the changes we are making to the world would grow in an exponential factor if many people learned this, learned the true essence of everyone and every single one.
I like the way your ‘lessons’ are not based on Seduction itself, but on Life and Happiness in general. It has a very wider range.
Making it for free shows you’re mature enough to share something that truly helps many, many people. As you said, it’s good the pleasure you get from distributing this knowledge. And I’m glad you get this pleasure. One day you may get direct benefit from doing this you are doing now. And the pleasure will be even bigger.
Second… sorry for my way of write, i am from Argentina, and do not know a lot of English.
Since a few months, i have been feeling that there were mistakes.
the mentality of seduction replacing the mentality of know that woman, who i am looking at.
only one day of talk with a friend who give me the link of this website i was generating the theory of the mistakes that i was making comes from my core. so..
thank you again you fulfilled my ideas.
i offer to contribute, by translating this content to the Spanish.
I want to tell you that in Europe, we do not have enough psychologists or “mind framers” or whatever you chose to call them.
I am currently going through the biggest crisis in my life : I’m 24 , without a goal and without friends or even without a girlfriend in life.
I also realise that many things that were important to me such as my hobbies , I have left aside just out of sheer boredom : they don’t reach me like before.
Reading your book and your emails have thrown some light on many feelings I am experiencing and now I feel less a fool than before, because I know I didn’t know about inner game or about the “good” way to see things : for what they truly are.
Thanks for making your knowledge accessible to all so that everyone has a chance to be happy if they want it.
You say that you’re going through the biggest crisis of your life.
I’d like to offer you a different perspective. And it’s up to you whether you chose to embrace it or not. I leave it up to you.
You are going through the biggest opportunity of your life. From your comment I hear that on some level happiness for you is an external thing.
Consider that the way to resolve your situation is not to find a girlfriend or make some friends (that would create relationships of codependency on a foundation of unhappiness)..
..but to start doing what truly matters to you. I’ll assert that you are ready for this path – since it seems that your old hobbies are no longer nurturing you.
I’d begin by asking myself – what do I really want to do? And then notice what comes up for you as a resistance. Is it a fear? An anxiety? A voice in your head which gives you reasons why not?
What are you afraid of happening if you pursue YOUR dreams?
I will do it, because you make it sound so simplethat sometimes I feel like a stubborn self-deceiving asshole about complaining on how hard I thought it was going to be…
But I’m not ashamed to say it anymore. You see, your lessons are already starting to have effects on me :p
Man, when I read your book and now these small lessions everyday I feel like you’re talking to me.
I was one of those guys who bought a lot of books on how to become and alpha and so on…
It gave me some results but the feeling I had after that was none. Now with your book I learn how to be an alpha male but not because I want to get women.
I became an alpha male because I have my own purposes and my own way of living. And that is more attractive to women than a list of “alpha behaviours”.
Nigel, consider that your fear of looking like an AFC is what’s making you look like an AFC.
Take a look at what “AFC” truly means to you. Does it have anything to do with rejection, perhaps?
Now, watch the video above again and ask yourself:
if you were living a life on your terms, drawing happiness from inside yourself, would the opinion of a woman (aka rejection) bother you as much as it does now?
This same philosophy goes back to at least 534 BC with the second noble truth of buddhism, also if you read up on scientology disregaurding everything youve heard, it says pretty much the same thing, for some reason, i still cant quite let go. Any perspective on this would be great, kentoro1@yahoo.com
You’re right. There’s a lot of similarities between our philosophy and Buddhism. From what I know, we align closest with the Tantric Buddhism path but I have a fairly limited understanding. I don’t know much about Scientology but I do know that we also have a lot in common with Eckhart Tolle, Lao Tzu, The Bagavad Gita, and even some similarities with select passages of the Bible. All enlightened philosophies are saying the same thing, they’re just coming at it from different angles and have different paths to achieving it.
If you’re not getting the success you’re looking for despite your knowledge, I would suggest that it probably has something to do with the fact that there’s a huge difference between knowing the path and walking the path. Knowledge is nothing until you put it into action.
There’s a reason why this video is only 15 minutes long yet the MasterClass is a 30 day program.
In the ebook, you write:
“You can choose to switch over to the part of the brain that acts outside of the status paradigm,
that’s self accepting, and that has the most powerful beliefs possible, if you choose to.”
Isn’t this a contradiction?
Consciously making a decision sounds very L-type to me, so how can you CHOOSE to go into R-type mode?
I love the book so far, it really gels in my mind.
I’d say it also explains why so many guys in the seduction community are just…..so weird. Personally, even though they have a better skill-set- than me, I just can’t vibe with many of em.
It’s great to hear you’re enjoying Seduction Community Sucks. I love hearing that the stuff we’re doing is actually making a difference.
To answer your question, yes it can be a conscious decision to change your focus born out of L-Type thinking but if you’re already using L-Type thinking then it’s not going to make things worse. It’s just another decision. Once you’ve made that decision, then things start to change. Once you make a decision to let go of analysis and start to focus on experience, the by-products of L-Type thinking start to disappear.
All you said in this video, is a total “marketing”, you just take a shit to “seduction community” in order to distinguish from them, but just by suggesting worst material and ideas than that community.
And your criticism is absolutely shabby, as I see it you havn’t read such authors as Neil Strauss or David Deangelo, because they are not talking just about “outside” as you said, first of all they are talking about your inner – care about your inside, and the outside will change parallel. And all the “externality”, lines, are just the additional instruments..
To sum up, I guess most of comments written above are written by you “steve and logun”, because your material is so LoL, trying to attack others in order to be higher, however your “attack” is so weak…
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. Every piece of feedback we get on our ideas allows us to understand more about how we can help people find the solutions they’re looking for.
From your response, it seems as though there are a few things that I didn’t articulate clearly for you in the video so let me try again.
I try to make it very clear through all of my communication that you can ‘get’ more women through the seduction community. Whilst I don’t know all of them personally, I’m sure there’s hundreds of guys out there who have dramatically improved their success with women through the ideas and concepts that are taught within the community. I don’t hate the seduction community or even dislike it. I actually believe it serves a very necessary role within the lives of thousands of men, I just believe that the ideas taught within it contain an inherent flaw and this video was an attempt to point that out.
You say that my criticism was ’shabby’. What criticism was that? If you could point out exactly what part you’re referring to, I’d be happy to explain the point I was trying to convey. Maybe we could both grow through this.
And I agree with you that there are other guys within the PUA community that focus on inner game. David D’s inner game products were amongst the first I ever saw. I’m a little confused about your comments about Style though. I’ve just gone back through the last 10 emails sent out by Style life that contained tips for improving your interactions with women and 9 out of the 10 were focussed solely on ‘outer game’. And the 10th one was how to use a hypnosis to eliminate approach anxiety. I don’t know where you source your information from but the evidence that I have in front of me suggests otherwise. Was there a specific idea of his that you could point me to? I love reading other peoples ideas so if there’s something out there that’s really worth while, I’d love to check it out.
The point I was trying to make through the video was not about a battle between inner game and outer game though, it was about limitation of the underlying mindset of the seduction community as a whole. The seduction community is all about trying to make women more attracted to you so they’ll sleep with you. If you’re doing something simply to make women more attracted to you then you’re going to be stuck in a continuous cycle for a long time. It doesn’t matter whether that’s inner game work or outer game work, as long as you’re doing things to get better at making the outside world responsible for how you feel then you’re forever going to be fighting the same battles over and over again.
Have you checked out Seduction Community Sucks? I go through a lot of the contradictions I’ve found within the community and talk about their inherent limitations in some detail.
I’d really love to know specifically where you saw the logical flaw in our video. You’ve made a lot of general statements that are very light on specifics. Would you be able to highlight the places where you felt as though our discussion fell short? It would help me see the gaps in our point of view that I’ve obviously missed and allow me to create more effective concepts and material.
So you replied:
“Once you’ve made that decision, then things start to change. Once you make a decision to let go of analysis and start to focus on experience, the by-products of L-Type thinking start to disappear.”
I gave this some thought over the past couple of days but I’m afraid I can’t really do anything with it. Can you give some practical examples or explain what to focus on? To me, it’s weird that simply “deciding” for myself to stop analyzing and start experiencing can/will make a change. Hope you understand my question!
I am so glad that someone took the time, and gave the effort to think about the essence of the problem and not about the ‘band-aids’.
Please keep it up. Its appreciated alot.
File
Oh… wow.
I don’t mean to whinge, but this seems like a re-hash of old concepts. I believe Tyler Durden introduced the concept of internal and external validation more than 3 years ago.
Having said that, it is a brilliant concept that helped put me on the right track; but its nothing new.
I do hope the challenge gets better…
Hi Jack,
Thanks for you comment. Yes, I believe you’re right, however, that is only part of the whole story.
The concept of internal and external validation isn’t new to the community, nor is it new to self hep in general but I’m not just talking about external validation here. External validation is only one part of pleasure. External validation is only one way that guys are placing their happiness on external objects.
There are many other ways that guys are doing this – happiness through food, drugs, alcohol, physical pleasure, and the big one for the community – happiness by obtaining objects (women, specifically).
This isn’t external validation because whilst a lot of guys do care what other people think about how hot their girl is (yes, I’m guilty of it some times too), they’re also looking for a different kind of happiness from her too.
They’re constructing a story line in their head about how they’re unhappy because they don’t have a the woman they’re looking for in theri life and they believe that once they get her, then they’ll really be happy, finally.
Their sense of happiness is based off the externally dependant outcome of attracting and sleeping with her.
This is the core issue.
It’s this belief that once they’re ‘got’ her then they can finally be happy, this reliance on externally based happiness (not just external validation) that is the cause of almost every issue that they’re facing women.
Yes, the community is very good at telling people that they shouldn’t be attached to the outcome and that they’re perfect without her and so therefore should be happy, but that doesn’t change the fact that the seduction community is based on how to get more women into your life.
The fundamental basis of everything that EVERY guru is teaching is ‘how to change yourself so that she’ll like you more’. Even the RSD stuff of ‘be self amusing’ is still only done so that guys can get girls to like them more. It’s still based on changing what you’re doing to get her.
The whole community is based around teaching guys how to be more effective at getting pleasure. Which is effectively strengthening their reliance on pleasure, more and more, with every ’set’ they do.
What they don’t seem to realise is that it’s this very reliance on pleasure, this reliance that they’re reinforcing, that is the very reason why guys need to learn ‘game’ in the first place.
As I talk about towards the end of Seduction Community Sucks, interactions are purpose driven and the only reason that guys need to learn to lead, qualify, to open, to develop rapport, is that guys are trying to find more effective ways to make her responsible for their happiness.
If they weren’t trying to make her responsible for their happiness and actually took responsible for creating the kind of world that was intrinsically fulfilling WITHOUT HER, then they wouldn’t face 3/4 of the issues in their life.
So whilst yes, internal and external validation are important factors to focus on, they’re really only the tip of a very large iceberg that’s going to keep causing issues until guys can find a path around it.
I hope that makes things a bit clearer.
LoGun
Here is your MEANING form of happiness
:
Thanks alot, great stuff man, I can’t wait to see what’s up for the rest of the days, you really blew my mind away, approach anxiety has disappeared too, just by changing your ‘goal’.
Hey LoGun,
Thanks for the reply. You make a really good point about the importance of being fulfilled without having the need of a woman in your life.
I’ve personally found that the times I’ve been really successful in meeting and attracting girls coincide with the times where I’m truly happy.
Such as when I’m enjoying myself with my friends and doing the things I like, as opposed to going out with the sole intention of picking up (aka ’sarging’) whilst putting on a forced smile.
The post makes a lot more sense now; thank you for clarifying things.
Jack
Dear Logun, first of all, sorry about some grammar mistakes I can do, because English is my foreign language!
I think you’re a very good person buddy! You’re a genious!
Definetely “SCS”, “IGC” and your videos from the seminar in Sidney are the best material any men can read or watch about seduction!
Even if he’s a PUA or not!
All of this stuff can change (and will, I hope) lives around the world and it’s all free! Incredible!
All of us know that we can trust you because you’re simply not trying to sale fake products, materials, or books, DVDs…
I confess that I was a follower of indirect methods and didn’t have great results because my inner game was terrible and I had lots of AA.
Your book opened my eyes and this IGC is elevating my inner game to the sky!
Thank you very much! I really appreciate what you’re doing!
André
Man, I’ve gotta tell you, this really changed the way I see things now.
When reading the ”Seduction Community Sucks”, I remembered everything I’ve been trough since I discovery this world.
I went to a party last weekend, and decided just do what I wanted to do, and get one girl I was attracted to without thinking of lines and all these stuff, and guess what?
I got her, but, this weekend I went to a bar with my friend and his girl friends, and I started to think in what to say to get my value high, avoid rejection, and what happened? Well, I didn’t enjoy the moment, I was really anxious in the enviroment trying to look cool, not showing low value and these stuff.
After reading the e-book, I remembered every single moment that I really was being myself without worrying about the things, and just trying to have a good time with people around me, and that is how I want be after this inner game challenge, a person that enjoy making people have fun with, a person that laughs even when things seems not so good, a person who helps others when they’re not ok, a person who likes to share good moments with a special girl I might find in my life.
And I know I’m going to be able to let my personality comes out.
Thank you for sharing this with me.
A hundred times better than any ‘revolutionary method’ of the seduction community !
LoGun, first of all I want to thank you and your team for such a work!
Actually english is my foreign language I’m from Brazil
I’m going to try this right now!
It’s easier doing this than going out on canned opners and DHV stories especially because the culture and habbits of my country are a lot different from USA or England. So every time I would use a Canned material I was always worried about adapting to my country reality, but thanks to your work I’m starting to change. I hope it guets better
Now I must go, need to face the exercise
Thanks again man!
Caio
really insightfull, i must try it tomorrow. The whole executive functions just blew my mind hahaha i am adapting it to everything in my life, and not surprisingly, it has been brigging some stunning results.
I am also from Brazil too, and really, almost anything canned from north america, europe or australia doesnt quite work as well here as it does out there
Thanks
Hey Guys!
I just wanted to say THANK YOU!
I’m from EUROPE so please forgive
me for my bad english!
Since i’ve started with PickUp my
personality with walls after walls
of lies!
I recognised a feeling of emptiness
behind my breast! No feelings and either
no emotions! I felt dead! I WAS dead!
Chating with people i don’t really like
was the daily torture of my live!
BUT NOW i throw away this lies of
complete shit!
I feel the confidence i’ve never
recognised! I FEEL real EMOTIONS!
I feel the LIVE behind my breast!
WOW! It feels great! I’m ALIVE!
Great thanks to you all!
I’ll continue a real live!
No more lies again! No waste
of time with people i don’t like!
THX!
pi
that`s great dude.. the perfect openner don`t exist..it`s just words..show our personality is the most important thing to do.
The only one thing I wanted to say is: ‘Thanks’
That says it all.
You help us – you’re making the world better, happier.
We share our happiness with others – we’re making the world better, happier.
And by saying that I mean the changes we are making to the world would grow in an exponential factor if many people learned this, learned the true essence of everyone and every single one.
I like the way your ‘lessons’ are not based on Seduction itself, but on Life and Happiness in general. It has a very wider range.
Making it for free shows you’re mature enough to share something that truly helps many, many people. As you said, it’s good the pleasure you get from distributing this knowledge. And I’m glad you get this pleasure. One day you may get direct benefit from doing this you are doing now. And the pleasure will be even bigger.
Felipe
First of all: Thank you all, a lot!!!
Second… sorry for my way of write, i am from Argentina, and do not know a lot of English.
Since a few months, i have been feeling that there were mistakes.
the mentality of seduction replacing the mentality of know that woman, who i am looking at.
only one day of talk with a friend who give me the link of this website i was generating the theory of the mistakes that i was making comes from my core. so..
thank you again you fulfilled my ideas.
i offer to contribute, by translating this content to the Spanish.
And thank you, its funny to see what was happening to me and why that system of seduction was not working.
lying. that was all. to they and to me.
Hello guys !
I want to tell you that in Europe, we do not have enough psychologists or “mind framers” or whatever you chose to call them.
I am currently going through the biggest crisis in my life : I’m 24 , without a goal and without friends or even without a girlfriend in life.
I also realise that many things that were important to me such as my hobbies , I have left aside just out of sheer boredom : they don’t reach me like before.
Reading your book and your emails have thrown some light on many feelings I am experiencing and now I feel less a fool than before, because I know I didn’t know about inner game or about the “good” way to see things : for what they truly are.
Thanks for making your knowledge accessible to all so that everyone has a chance to be happy if they want it.
Hey David,
Thanks for your comment – it’s excellent.
You say that you’re going through the biggest crisis of your life.
I’d like to offer you a different perspective. And it’s up to you whether you chose to embrace it or not. I leave it up to you.
You are going through the biggest opportunity of your life. From your comment I hear that on some level happiness for you is an external thing.
Consider that the way to resolve your situation is not to find a girlfriend or make some friends (that would create relationships of codependency on a foundation of unhappiness)..
..but to start doing what truly matters to you. I’ll assert that you are ready for this path – since it seems that your old hobbies are no longer nurturing you.
I’d begin by asking myself – what do I really want to do? And then notice what comes up for you as a resistance. Is it a fear? An anxiety? A voice in your head which gives you reasons why not?
What are you afraid of happening if you pursue YOUR dreams?
Steven
I will do it, because you make it sound so simplethat sometimes I feel like a stubborn self-deceiving asshole about complaining on how hard I thought it was going to be…
But I’m not ashamed to say it anymore. You see, your lessons are already starting to have effects on me :p
Hi LoGun,
I’d like to thank you for these materials that you gave,
I love this “true” approach of the game,
Have a nice day,
Man, when I read your book and now these small lessions everyday I feel like you’re talking to me.
I was one of those guys who bought a lot of books on how to become and alpha and so on…
It gave me some results but the feeling I had after that was none. Now with your book I learn how to be an alpha male but not because I want to get women.
I became an alpha male because I have my own purposes and my own way of living. And that is more attractive to women than a list of “alpha behaviours”.
Thank you so much
Wow, the inner game stuff is video GOLD.
Guys, keep it coming please. This makes sense!
Good stuff again guys.
Defintely makes sense but shouldnt I keep somesort of rules in mind so I dont come across like an AFC?
Nigel, consider that your fear of looking like an AFC is what’s making you look like an AFC.
Take a look at what “AFC” truly means to you. Does it have anything to do with rejection, perhaps?
Now, watch the video above again and ask yourself:
if you were living a life on your terms, drawing happiness from inside yourself, would the opinion of a woman (aka rejection) bother you as much as it does now?
Steven
This makes a ton of sense guys. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work!
I’m curious to find out more…
This same philosophy goes back to at least 534 BC with the second noble truth of buddhism, also if you read up on scientology disregaurding everything youve heard, it says pretty much the same thing, for some reason, i still cant quite let go. Any perspective on this would be great, kentoro1@yahoo.com
Hi Kenny,
You’re right. There’s a lot of similarities between our philosophy and Buddhism. From what I know, we align closest with the Tantric Buddhism path but I have a fairly limited understanding. I don’t know much about Scientology but I do know that we also have a lot in common with Eckhart Tolle, Lao Tzu, The Bagavad Gita, and even some similarities with select passages of the Bible. All enlightened philosophies are saying the same thing, they’re just coming at it from different angles and have different paths to achieving it.
If you’re not getting the success you’re looking for despite your knowledge, I would suggest that it probably has something to do with the fact that there’s a huge difference between knowing the path and walking the path. Knowledge is nothing until you put it into action.
There’s a reason why this video is only 15 minutes long yet the MasterClass is a 30 day program.
If you’d like help with your situation, join up on our forum and share your issues. You can find it here: http://www.attractioninstitute.org/inner-game-forums/index.php
I look forward to hearing from you soon.
LoGun
Hey guys,
In the ebook, you write:
“You can choose to switch over to the part of the brain that acts outside of the status paradigm,
that’s self accepting, and that has the most powerful beliefs possible, if you choose to.”
Isn’t this a contradiction?
Consciously making a decision sounds very L-type to me, so how can you CHOOSE to go into R-type mode?
I love the book so far, it really gels in my mind.
I’d say it also explains why so many guys in the seduction community are just…..so weird. Personally, even though they have a better skill-set- than me, I just can’t vibe with many of em.
Hey Ravi,
It’s great to hear you’re enjoying Seduction Community Sucks. I love hearing that the stuff we’re doing is actually making a difference.
To answer your question, yes it can be a conscious decision to change your focus born out of L-Type thinking but if you’re already using L-Type thinking then it’s not going to make things worse. It’s just another decision. Once you’ve made that decision, then things start to change. Once you make a decision to let go of analysis and start to focus on experience, the by-products of L-Type thinking start to disappear.
Does that answer your question?
All you said in this video, is a total “marketing”, you just take a shit to “seduction community” in order to distinguish from them, but just by suggesting worst material and ideas than that community.
And your criticism is absolutely shabby, as I see it you havn’t read such authors as Neil Strauss or David Deangelo, because they are not talking just about “outside” as you said, first of all they are talking about your inner – care about your inside, and the outside will change parallel. And all the “externality”, lines, are just the additional instruments..
To sum up, I guess most of comments written above are written by you “steve and logun”, because your material is so LoL, trying to attack others in order to be higher, however your “attack” is so weak…
Hi YouSuck,
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. Every piece of feedback we get on our ideas allows us to understand more about how we can help people find the solutions they’re looking for.
From your response, it seems as though there are a few things that I didn’t articulate clearly for you in the video so let me try again.
I try to make it very clear through all of my communication that you can ‘get’ more women through the seduction community. Whilst I don’t know all of them personally, I’m sure there’s hundreds of guys out there who have dramatically improved their success with women through the ideas and concepts that are taught within the community. I don’t hate the seduction community or even dislike it. I actually believe it serves a very necessary role within the lives of thousands of men, I just believe that the ideas taught within it contain an inherent flaw and this video was an attempt to point that out.
You say that my criticism was ’shabby’. What criticism was that? If you could point out exactly what part you’re referring to, I’d be happy to explain the point I was trying to convey. Maybe we could both grow through this.
And I agree with you that there are other guys within the PUA community that focus on inner game. David D’s inner game products were amongst the first I ever saw. I’m a little confused about your comments about Style though. I’ve just gone back through the last 10 emails sent out by Style life that contained tips for improving your interactions with women and 9 out of the 10 were focussed solely on ‘outer game’. And the 10th one was how to use a hypnosis to eliminate approach anxiety. I don’t know where you source your information from but the evidence that I have in front of me suggests otherwise. Was there a specific idea of his that you could point me to? I love reading other peoples ideas so if there’s something out there that’s really worth while, I’d love to check it out.
The point I was trying to make through the video was not about a battle between inner game and outer game though, it was about limitation of the underlying mindset of the seduction community as a whole. The seduction community is all about trying to make women more attracted to you so they’ll sleep with you. If you’re doing something simply to make women more attracted to you then you’re going to be stuck in a continuous cycle for a long time. It doesn’t matter whether that’s inner game work or outer game work, as long as you’re doing things to get better at making the outside world responsible for how you feel then you’re forever going to be fighting the same battles over and over again.
Have you checked out Seduction Community Sucks? I go through a lot of the contradictions I’ve found within the community and talk about their inherent limitations in some detail.
I’d really love to know specifically where you saw the logical flaw in our video. You’ve made a lot of general statements that are very light on specifics. Would you be able to highlight the places where you felt as though our discussion fell short? It would help me see the gaps in our point of view that I’ve obviously missed and allow me to create more effective concepts and material.
LoGun
Hey again LoGun!
So you replied:
“Once you’ve made that decision, then things start to change. Once you make a decision to let go of analysis and start to focus on experience, the by-products of L-Type thinking start to disappear.”
I gave this some thought over the past couple of days but I’m afraid I can’t really do anything with it. Can you give some practical examples or explain what to focus on? To me, it’s weird that simply “deciding” for myself to stop analyzing and start experiencing can/will make a change. Hope you understand my question!